Weekly I will post a sports list which will run down the best of something either from my own opinion or that in which I have seen on some media outlet.
This Week's Topic:
ESPN's Honor Roll - Top 10 Best Collegiate Quaterbacks of All time
10.Ken Dorsey - Miami (FL)
9.Sammy Baugh - TCU
8.John Elway - Stanford
7.Matt Leinart - Southern California
6.Doug Flutie - Boston College
5.Joe Montana - Notre Dame
4.Ty Detmer - BYU
3.Roger Staubach - Navy
2.Tommy Frazier - Nebraska
1.The Mannings - Arichie (ole miss), Peyton, (Tenn.), Eli (ole miss)
Honorable Mention:
Dan Marino - Pitt
Andre Ware - Houston
Danny Weurffel - Florida
Bernie Kosar - Miami (FL)
Michael Vick - Virginia Tech
Drew Brees - Purdue
Jim Plunkett - Stanford
David Klingler - Houston
Vinny Testaverde - Miami (FL)
Jim McMahon - BYU
Please provide insight and your Top 10...
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Well, that is a good list. Since I was born in 1981, it is hard for me to put together something worth while to be considered "Best QB's of all time". Therefore I will put together my top 10 QB's that I have seen in my lifetime.
10. Gino Torretta - Miami
9. Michael Vick - Virginia Tech
8. Charlie Ward - Florida State
7. Donnovan McNabb - Syracuse
6. Danny Wuerffel - Florida
5. Tommy Frazier - Nebraska
4. Carson Palmer - USC
3. Vince Young - Texas
2. Peyton Manning - Tennessee
1. Matt Leinart - USC
Not bad lists . . . only GLARING omission is Heisman trophy and 2-time Davey O'Brien winner, Jason White of Oklahoma . . .
Salots - What the fuck is Eli doing with his dad and bro at No. 1? In the immortal words of Johnny Mac: "You canNOT be serious!!!!"
In no particular order, I would have Detmer, Wuerffel, Frazier, McMahon, Leinart, White, Staubach (gotta have Roger the Dodger), and maybe Vince Young in my top 10 . .
I pondered the same decision that ESPNU made on that...It was described in the telecast that instead of leaving out all Manning's (which they could not do) they included each...to me that is HORSE SH*T!!!
Here is my run down as I have taken my time to come up with the best 10 and going along the same lines of schof...that I have seen
10. D. McPherson - Because he is from SU and because he should have won the heisman and was the 87 maxwell award winner, great QB career in college
9. Michael Vick - Amazing to watch when he played...had he stayed another 2 years might be the best ever!!!
8. Charlie Ward - Another heisman and I liked his skills on the 'court'
7. Chris Weinke - Heisman, although I hate florida st. he had the weapons and was a leader on those teams
6. Drew Brees - Big Ten Conference records in passing yards (11,792), touchdown passes (90), total offensive yards (12,693), completions (1,026), and attempts (1,678).
5. Donnavan McNabb - The best QB ever at Syracuse and top 5 in my mind during the 90's (very underrated)
4. Danny Wuerffel - Heisman, National championship, Maxwell Award, Walter Camp, Johnny U award, 2 Davey O'Briens..enough said!!!
3. Tommy Frazier - How sick was his ability to run in that option offense, best QB I have ever seen run the option.
2. Ty Detmer - Partial to him at 2 after the fact that I still think the Rocket should have won the heisman, but check out his stats most dominant one season as a QB in the history of the college game I think...
1. Peyton Manning - Here is an impressive stat - 33 interceptions in 1,381 attempts, an NCAA record for best all-time interception percentage, plus the fact that he came back for his senior year and was one of the best leaders in the college game ever (aside from his last name) how could you not throw him at number 1???
Honorable Mention:
Jason White, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinhart, Gino Torretta, Andre Ware
Also add in Vince Young to the honorable mention category...and its too early to add him now but I might also put Brady Quinn in there because he has been the best QB at ND for sometime...but again he would be an honorable mention to the honorable mentions...
I cannot consider any list which does not include Danny Wuerffel. I know the guy didn't have "NFL" skills but he absolutely shredded college defenses. Without looking at the nubers, his junior and senior seasons have to rank among the best single season numbers of all time.
Also, as to McNabb, many may dismiss many of our opinions on him being one of the best of all time, McNabb is 2nd ALL TIME in TD to INT ratio in college. ALL TIME! People need to start putting McNabb among the all time greats in college, his numbers back it up. We can apologize all day that he didn't go to ND, Mich, Fla. St. etc as to most people those are the only programs that exist.
Oh, and how is KEN DORSEY on this list. The guy was good don't get me wrong but come on KEN DORSEY. Take your pick of about 50 other guys who could easily replace him at #10 on that list.
You obviously did not watch enough Ken Dorsey college games. Don't let his sh#t play in the pros cloud your memory. He is definitely on my Top 10 list - that I have seen. Obviously more towards 10 than 1 though.
Dorsey: 38-2 career record; 2001 national championship (the QB on what I consider the best college football team of all-time - 2001 Canes).
School records for total offense (9,486 yards), passing yards (9,565), passing touchdowns (86), pass completions (668), pass attempts (1,153), victories as a starting quarterback (38), winning percentage by a starting quarterback (.974), 200-yard passing performances (31), consecutive passes without an interception (193), consecutive games with a touchdown pass (31), and touchdown passes in a game (5); at a university known for its quarterbacks (Kelly, Kosar, Shittaheady, Walsh, Torretta, etc.).
Co-MVP of the 2001 Rose Bowl.
Heisman finalist twice, and the winner of the 2001 Maxwell Award (national collegiate player of the year).
Dorsey has a pretty good argument.
1994 or 1995 you choose were the best college football teams ever...01 cane's falls short to those teams' greatness...I bet you put Frazier v. Dorsey and Frazier wins hands down...again I am not sure we have seen a better offensive system with a QB that could run the option better than Frazier with those Nebraska teams...and they rolled away with both championships they won.
I would add Dorsey to my honorable mention...thats about it, he had a lot of weapons that made him that good but you don't necessarily associate him with being a great top 10 QB!
yes I can't argue that dorsey has great numbers. the thing is though that the guy was playing on an NFL team in college. I realize most of these guys were on great, highly talented teams, the difference here is the question as I see it is top 10 college qb's of all time, meaning top 10 most talented or gifted if you want to put it that way. If you want to make it just about stats then list the top 10 qb's in passing yardage of all time. What I'm saying is obviously that shouldn't be the criteria.
Ken Dorsey was not a player who could put a team on his shoulders and go get a win for his team. He was a consistent performer on a team probably top 3 of all time. But Ken Dorsey was never a trancendent player or in my opinion was not even much of a leader. He just isn't a "great" quarterback.
Many players come to mind that fit this mold much more than Ken Dorsey. Players that could carry their team and will it to victory. In my opinion Ken Dorsey was a very above average quarterback on a team where everone was very above average or great.
The point...you put a player like Drew Brees on that team, the team is twice as good. But in my opinion he was probably the 10th best player on that Miami team.
Well, most of the guys mentioned played on teams with plenty of "NFL" talent, so I'm not sure its fair to single-out Dorsey even if he was the "10th best player" on that team. There have been many guys that simply just didn't get it done despite being surrounded by incredible talent.
Simply put, the guy lost TWO games his entire career and put up some nice stats while doing it. I'm not sure what else we should have expected him to do.
Does Frazier flourish in that Miami 'pro-set' offense? We can never know for sure, but I doubt it. I would take Frazier over Dorsey, but its not necessarily a fair comparison.
At the end of the day, flat-out success HAS to be paramount - Dorsey had a career record of 38-2; Leinart, who also benefited from having plenty of NFL-quality around him, ended up at 37-2; and Frazier was 33-3; all deserving of the tag "great college quarterback".
An interesting analysis might involve a guy like Wuerffel who, while great, certainly benefited from the Florida "system".
I'm also not sure about the '94 and '95 Husker teams being better than that '01 Cane team.
Remember the personal on that Miami squad? Dorsey, Portis, McGahee, Andre Johnson, Jeremy Shockey, Bryant McKinnie, Jonathan Vilma, Ed Reed, Najeh Davenport, Frank Gore, Jerome McDougle, William Joseph, D.J. Williams, Kellen Winslow II, Sean Taylor, etc. - a veritable "who's who" of the NFL.
Look at this schedule:
Penn State, 33-7
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Troy State
Florida State, 49-27
West Virginia, 45-3,
Temple, 38-0
Boston College
#14 Syracuse, 59-0
#12 Washington, 65-7
Virginia Tech
#2 Nebraska, 37-14
Nebraska's personnel wasn't any better, and their schedule wasn't any tougher.
16 players from the 2001 Miami football team were drafted in the first-round of the NFL Draft.
For me, its still a coin toss between them and the '95 Huskers as the greatest team of all-time (with a nudge towards Miami); I definitely wouldn't consider the '94 Husker team in that class however . . . hell, I might take the '94 Nittany Lions over the '94 Huskers.
I second that, but you spelled personnel wrong the first time you used it in your above post . . . proof read next time douchebag . . .
Split personalities...RyanExpress might be A-type personality and RomoCop B-type personality...
I threw '94 in there because they basically had the same team just younger than '95 (not as dominant either).
Lets look at this '95 Huskers team...
Started out the year number 2 in the AP.
beat Okla 62-21
beat Mich St 50-10
best AZ St 77-28
beat Pacific 49-7
beat Wash St 35-21
beat Mizzou 57-0
beat #8 K St 49-25
beat #7 Colo 44-21
beat Iowa St 73-14
beat # 10 KU 41-3
beat Okla in big 12 championship 37-0
beat Florida in fiesta 62-24
Averaged 52.4 pts a game and nearly 400 rushing yards a game in that triple option out of the 'I' that they ran...
SI ranked them the number 1 top 10 most perfect college teams of all time...they excluded the '01 canes!!!
Let me axe you somethin' . . . do YOU rank Miami in YOUR all-time top 10?
If you don't, you are a MO-ron . . .
Q: What does that make SI's list?
A: Bullshit
Sagarin ranked the '95 Husker team as the greatest of all-time, and the '71 team as No. 2 . . . not sure when that ranking came out however . . .
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